Tags: Elizabeth Clare Prophet, Antony C. Sutton; Skull and Bones; JFK on secrecy and secret societies; freedom curtailment; prophetic admonition in 1984; conscience (or the lack of it)

Prophetic conversation in 1984


The following excerpt is my transcription of a conversation which was held in 1984, the year a famous dystopian novel written by Arthur Eric Blair (better known under his nom de plume George Orwell) is set. The conversation took place in Montana (USA), at the Summit University Forum, on 28th February of that year, between Elizabeth Clare Prophet, the leader of a Christian sect (the Church Universal and Triumphant [the picture was probably chosen to make her look bad], Antony C. Sutton, an English university professor who was living and teaching in America (and the author of several studies of 20th century politics and history that represented significant departures from conventional academic scholarship in those fields), and Murray Steinman, a high school teacher presumably based in Montana. The conversation was recorded and was later made available by the publishing arm of the Church Universal and Triumphant, called the Summit Lighthouse, under the title of ‘An Introduction to The Order: How The Order Controls Education’. As was to be expected, the recording has resurfaced on various Internet platforms; more interesting however is the subtitle that is often used for this recording of Elizabeth Clare Prophet’s conversation with Antony C. Sutton, namely ‘how the Order of Skull & Bones controls Education, and creates Wars and Revolutions’. For my part, even though in January 2017 I was already open to the claim that secret societies played a major role in world affairs, the following conversation (about the secret society Skull and Bones, which was formed at Yale University in the nineteenth century – The Order), together with an Alex Jones/Aaron Russo interview and a speech delivered by John Fitzgerald Kennedy about secrets and secret societies being repugnant (Waldorf-Astoria Hotel, New York City, 27th April 1961) provided sufficient conclusive evidence for me to accept the horrific possibility that political antagonisms and wars are contrived by an international ruling clique to maintain their power… Although the full recording is well worth listening to (or watching), I believe that the following excerpt in particular bears some strong relevance to what is going on in the world today.

As usual, I have used my hallmark green to highlight specific words or groups of words.

[Right click the picture to start the clip, which may play in ‘picture-in-picture’ mode.]
 

If it were not to play in your browser (it does not seem to work in Brave, the path is as follows (after having made sure that your sound levels are not too loud):
http://paulzanotelli.ch/videos/prophet_sutton.mp4.

Alternatively, you may listen to the recording, 49 minutes and 16 seconds into it, at either
https://archive.org/details/AntonySuttonHowTheOrderControlsEducation1984, https://www.bitchute.com/video/2mYzIZ9UQu3R/ or even
https://ugetube.com/watch/antony-sutton-how-the-order-controls-education-1984_nQv7724vZbrZyih.html.

[Murray Steinman]  They said in this report also that if a foreign power had done this to us, that we would consider it to be an act of war, that it so seriously weakened the United States. Based on what you were saying earlier about The Order sponsors war and revolution if The Order has carried this out and has been part primarily responsible, would you consider this to be an act of revolution?

[Antony C. Sutton]  I think The Order has been at war with the United States in general since 1833. There’s no question about that when you look at their individual actions.

[Elizabeth Clare Prophet]  And that is because if the flower of the United States, the flower of freedom, was to become what its potential was, their very elite positions would not have a stronghold.

[Antony C. Sutton]  Exactly, exactly.

[Elizabeth Clare Prophet]  The greatest single threat to this breed that has ante-dated Christ is the nation that has itself founded upon a constitution [Antony C. Sutton: That’s right.] that guarantees, absolutely guarantees, the rise of the individual.

[Antony C. Sutton]  This is one of the problems: they cannot live with the Bill of Rights. In fact, this is why when Archibald MacLeish, a member of The Order, wrote the Constitution for UNESCO, it was built into there that UNESCO would gradually try to erode press freedoms. And in the Trilateral Commission, you’ll find the same criticism: too much freedom of the press. There’s just too much freedom for these people. They can’t live with the Constitution. They tried to change the Constitution through the Fund for the Republic, down here in Santa Barbara. They’re not being successful yet, but they’ve realised that there are roadblocks they’ve got to overcome to achieve what they want.

[Elizabeth Clare Prophet]  The most unfortunate thing to me is that when the people have coming at them from all directions this momentum of The Order, they turn and espouse The Order or they let these people, or have in the past, become their idols, except that they are an elite, except that fact that they are superior, except the projection from them to the people that they’re superior and today you will find people agreeing with the limitation of freedom in various sectors of this country.

[Antony C. Sutton]  I think that’s a very unfortunate part of our society, that too many people are willing to abandon freedom for security. Or what they see is as security. You can get security in a Siberian gulag, but you can get, you know, freedom in a, in Hitler’s concentration camp. Too many people are willing to give up freedom for security. Too many people are willing to look at these people as miniature gods and because they have achieved power, don’t ask how did they get power or what they can do with the power, but just the fact that they have power makes them a god and therefore they worship them. This to me is unbelievable. People…I’ve put in one of my books: we’ve got 20 30 million degree holders in the United States. People have earned a college degree but they don’t question statements which are made by these people.

[Elizabeth Clare Prophet]  Well, it’s an amazing thing that people, educated people, can accept that the interference with private property rights, or with the press, or public assembly, or religion, free speech, the interference with that can somehow be necessary to the continuity of the Republic – or the security of the nation.

[Antony C. Sutton]  It’s ridiculous. I can’t answer for these people. All I hope is that they will examine their own consciences and their minds.


Lausanne, 28th March 2021